and the idea with both of these deals, t. rowe price roll into and the question is whether michael dell ultimately loses his job. when he got involved in this originally, he wanted to take control of the company to run it. but now, if they were to accept either deal, do you actually stick with the company? are you the ceo? does blackstone want you to be the ceo? these are serious questions. >> is anything you just said different than the times or the journal? >> a little bit of it. >> who calls who? did they just start making calls yesterday, the people involved with this? how did this work? >> no, no, no. the news this morning is that actually the board -- >> this is different than what the journal has? >> yes. they've decided to move forward with this. >> but these are the terms of the deal. >> right. you could clearly say so yourself, these aren't likely to lead to interior proposals. >> because you need to know the details. >> and you need to know that it's a real deal, meaning it's a firm deal. what they're saying is it